NYTimes: "The Siren Song of Sex With Boys"

..It's all in the spin..
The New york times has hired only the best spin doctor's....

"But when the women face prison, questions are raised about where to set the age of consent." Exactly! When WOMEN face prison, we start asking all sorts of idiotic questions in an effort to spare them the consequences of their actions. This government probably locks up more innocent men than it does guilty women.

Divorce Court ruins Father’s life...

Wife abuses the justice system?

You hear allot about domestic violence and child molesters today. This is one of the most serious issues of today. Any man that does such a thing should be put away forever, or maybe worse!

Yet there are those that are innocent of this heinous crime they are accused of.

I know of a young man that thought he was having sex with an adult.
This later turned out not to be the case, as the girl was younger than she looked.

That's bad enough, but what happens when a wife that knows about this crime, uses it for personal gain in a divorce proceeding?

This guy gets accused of going after his teenage daughter by the mother.

No evidence was ever found for this heinous accusation, in using the teenage daughter as a witness. Yet this man’s life is ruined forever.

If the man committed this offence, he got what he deserved but what if he did not; as he claims? Would this not be just another example of a disgruntled spouse using the justice system to her advantage?

Since when has accusation been the basis of incarceration, I thought a man had to be proven guilty before being convicted of a domestic crime, or am I just naive.

If you believe that any proof whatsoever is required to lock up a man (not a woman, a man) forever in this country, then yes, I'm afraid you are naive. But stick around; you'll overcome that.

Good to see you posting again to my questions; I know the guy I'm writing about, and he is very honest.

In fact, I think being honest can most surly hurt you today.
It allows for to-much information to be used against you, by others, with a selfish ambition. Sad but true, if you are naïve you will pay in one way or another.

People are generally not as “good” as they used to be- and the New York Times is no exception.

I think you're right about that.

This article is two years old.

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

I keep asking what a "daughter owner" is.

It still very nice to see non-ceasing feminists' bashing those who created them: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS:

contrasting cases such as the repeated rape of a 5-year-old girl by her father

I think feminists must propose a legislation which forbids all men altogether to live with girls (including daughters) younger than 18 under one roof at all (in order to protect children from abuse).

We must unite with female feminists our efforts in the war with male daughter owners.

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

We must unite with female feminists our efforts in the war with male daughter owners.

I knew this motherfucker was a feminist undercover.

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

Sosickoftheirlies,
I think nbdspcl must be talking about girls fathers' and raising them to be "feministic", that's my guess...In other words s/he's blaming the father?

I do not agree in limiting fathers roles with daughters or sons.

Heck men don't have a say in abortions; what other rites do feminist want to take away from us.

Do you have a daughter? To get an idea what a daughter owner is, please read the following link and look for the term "bitch owner":

http://www.rottweiler.on.ca/contracts/studservice.htm

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

Do you have a daughter? To get an idea what a daughter owner is, please read the following link and look for the term "bitch owner":

www.rottweiler.on.ca/contracts/studservice

I am now realy confused, this link is to a dog breeder??????????

The term "daughter owner" is constructed based on the same linguistic scheme as the term "bitch owner" and its lexical meaning can be understood by analogy after reading that link. Namely that the daughter owner is no one other than the owner of a daughter.

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

Let me get this straight; so your premise is to blame the fathers for not raising their daughters correctly? It sound like this is what you are saying...

If in fact this is what you are saying; there is some truth in your assessment.
However, any adult must take responsibility for their own actions, and the father does not own, or reign over the daughter (prior) to her husband any longer.

Submissiveness to male authority is mostly a thing of the past, so you cannot blame the father in today’s society.

Am I understanding you correctly ?

nbdspcl's posts have a sort of value, because they alert MRAs to the omnipresence of trolls, trojan horses, and just plain fools.

It's always sad when the only recourse is an ad hominem attack, owing to the fact that the poster made no sense.

On the other hand, maybe just the right slogan for the men's movement would be -
"DAUGHTER OWNERS UNITE!"

Yeah, that'll work...

(I'm e-mailing Joe Biden straight away.)

"are perhaps most apparent when contrasting cases such as the repeated rape of a 5-year-old girl by her father and the willing sexual involvement of a mature 15-year-old adolescent boy with an unrelated adult."

The above comment that was in the NYT makes no sense. There is a huge difference between a 5 year old and a 15 year old. Notice how the statement was written. Man rape 5 year old - 15 year boy with an adult. The spotlight against men; and boys cannot be victims. WOW un-f*#@?ng beleivable! I don't get all riled up that easily but this is rediculous!

I wonder will, this ever end? Will women really truely be treated as equal or superior as they are now? I thank God that I am not a boy now. I can only imagine how the world will be in the generations to come. I'm thankfull I will be gone by then.

www.move-off.org

patriotsofamerica@move-off.org

The fact that these morons became nervous is the best evidence for MRAs that all what I'm saying about daughter owners is TRUTH. If my memory serves, this particular moron has confessed that he has even more than one daughter. ))

Remember of trojans, guys.

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

I'm going to adjust my sperm today, to make sure I never accidentally have a daughter.

The fact that these morons became nervous is the best evidence for MRAs that all what I'm saying about daughter owners is TRUTH.

I don't recall anyone becoming "nervous" online. Nor do I recall someone being nervous as being an absolute way to gauge truth.

Nbd's been smoking that shit again. Admit it, you're high as a motherfucker right now aren't you?

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

This site used to have alot of good quality comments and rationality. I'd hate to see it get spiral down into a bastion of stupidity. It's not in our interest to get sidetracked with wacky ideas that will be used against us.

I'd love to get sidetracked, but the guy refuses to even explain his ideas, much less convince me of them.

If Nbd was smokin' something, s/he'd at least make a little more sense and probably be able to spell better. (What is the actual point of s/his posts?)

It's amusing if uninspiring to be called a "nervous moron." Can we get up a collection for Nbd ("No Big Deal"?)and buy her/him a dictionary?

Reading Nbd's trivial insults reminded me of a fond event ...

Not so long ago I was enjoying a late night outdoors city sidewalk cafe dinner after a concert with my two gorgeous daughters.(Yes, I have sinned by creating these she-devils... formidable non-feminist beauties who actually like men but distinguish between actual men and Nbd's ilk ....)

Some Nbd-like crackhead came walking down the street and after spotting us at our table started trash-talking -- "that man know how to do it... that's how you get it done!"

Apparently a mature guy with two lovely women at his table translates in crackville into "dude with prostitutes." (Or perhaps, a lowly serial daughter-owner?)

So, I stood up and said -- "Hey, bro' ... I'll have you know I MADE these people!"

That was apparently not the proper thing to say, because my girls jumped up and shouted in harmony -- "He's our DAD... you f-ing BITCH!"

I love it when my daughters swear like banshees.

I think the crackhead understood who had been OWNED in the exchange, mainly because he looked sad and shuffled off and didn't come slinking back to apologize and ask for money.

This tale would be perfect if that low-life idiot had been of the caucasion persuasion. But hell, it was a southside venue. (And the color of your eyes is no indicator of the content of your character, anyway. * Bob Marley said that.)

My daughters are equal-opportunity insulters and care nothing about the complexions of their fools.

The final point being ... nobody owns my children.

My daughters are equal-opportunity insulters and care nothing about the complexions of their fools.

Yeah, but obviously you did. As a matter of fact it seems you cared enough to let us know he "wasn't of the caucasian persuasion."

He obviously wasn't of the "sane" or the "actual person" persuasion either as I don't know too many upstanding black men that would demean themselves by hollering anything at two country white women and their old man. To tell the truth, many brothers could care less about women. Especially with the way things are today, and I agree with them.

As far as NBD goes that motherfucker has some Twilight Zone-like beliefs he seems to be trying to convince everyone else to adapt. Although I do agree with him to an extent that "fathers(and mothers) with daughters" tend to enforce the "do anything you want and you are special" belief that their daughters already hold.

For instance what if one of the people your daughter gets loud with cracks her upside her fucking head? Does daddy come to the rescue or the police? Either way it's "man" to the rescue due to a "woman's" big mouth. Same shit the feminists do and the chivalrous men back them up.

Back to NBD's wild notions: More power to you NBD...no laws saying you can't be strange.

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

Mr. R.,

I anticipated your objection, because if I had not provided the disclaimer, I would have been accused of being racist, right?

And having provided the obligatory disclaimer, what dispensation have I gained?

What proper rhetorical "move" could I have made ... to meet your standards?

What's a white boy supposed to do?

What a warm company for going to a concert. A lonely old man, who wants to find a wife, but cannot because he is ugly, sociopathic and dumb. And his two lonely adult daughters, who cannot find husbands because they are......... "gorgeous formidable non-feminist beauties".

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Female feminists is just a human shield disguising the real wrong-doers. If you want to fight with feminism effectively, you must target the root of feminism: MALE DAUGHTER OWNERS.

A lonely old man, who wants to find a wife, but cannot because he is ugly, sociopathic and dumb. And his two lonely adult daughters, who cannot find husbands because they are......... "gorgeous formidable non-feminist beauties".

Zing!

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

nbdspcl = Nobody special? At least that's what I've always assumed it to mean.

Anyway, I think nbdspcl is right in the sense that the most feminist men usually have daughters. The primal urge in men is to protect their offspring, and the next most primal urge is to protect females.

Both of which come together in today's society to mean ever more misandrist laws advocated by otherwise-sane "daughter owners," a term which is used to explicitly refer to fathers of girls.

I'm not on any side except my own in this debate, but its clear to see that even the most seasoned MRA can still think of all men as evil until proven otherwise solely to protect his daughters; even the most seasoned MRA can still think of all men as evil when he is a "daughter owner".

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Having a daughter does not necessarily mean you will spoil her.

Men defending women is chivalry and women expecting to be defended and provided for doesn't just come from the father it is also instilled by the mother -- and other women(Remember women are herd creatures for the most part) -- that instructs young women on how to obtain a male ATM. Ever watch Housewives of Orange County? Each of the young girls are spitting images of their entitled mothers.

The war on men began long before it was given the name "feminism." You can see the same entitlement mentality amongst women long before feminism even reared it's ugly head. Each chivalrous father was raised by an entitled mother and vice versa. How many moms have you heard tell their daughters to "meet a nice man that will take care of them" or "why buy the cow when the milk is free"? Our enemy is two-fold: chivalrous men that think they are supposed to protect women(This would include men that do any and everything for their daughters) are conditioned to do so.

Chivalry is a social construct that has men being deferential to women. The will to protect is much different, because protection can be given to a country, other men, etc. It does not have to be women if men can be taught that women do not reciprocate. Chivalry can be weeded out as it is NOT part of biology and is a mere social construct with set guidelines one must observe to be considered "chivalrous" by women.

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Mothers teach daughters how to not let a man get into their pants, while fathers teach their sons the best ways to wine and dine and otherwise spend money on and benefit a woman.

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Wow!

I'm glad I do not have to go into actual combat with the likes of Nbd and Mr.R. watching my back...

Though I think I may have a new career ahead as a conflict mediator, since my trivial remarks converted two dudes who were pissing on each other into friendly allies.

At least my imaginary persona has progressed in merely one day from being a "nervous moron" to being "ugly, sociopathic and dumb." (That means I qualify for a full medical disability now.)

A little reading about the psychological concept of "projection" would go a long way towards explaining this funny, weird thread.

Notice how both alleged MRA's took the low road to easy "shame-and-blame" tactics as well as a perverse kind of unconscious Chivalry with the "lonely, unmarried daughters" schtick.

When the Hollywood writer's strike finally gets settled, I'll be able to surf back over to Comedy Central for my daily dose of current events commentary and may abandon the alternative genius that Nbd and Mr. R. have provided.

Funny thing is, I always encourage these righteous guys to keep evolving their writing, by being their (sometimes) willing foil.

It's all good.

Keep your friends close, and your adversaries closer...

Thank you Mr. R.

Now we can do what we collaborate on best ... theory and logic.

(You posted) -- "Men defending women is chivalry."

No it is (not necessarily) so.

It depends upon what is being defended and what is being excused.

I completely "defend" women's right to be equal ... within a fair and constitutional justice system.

Are you against this principle?

I am not defending women when I propose that they shall be equal before the law, rather than entitled, right?

Yeah, I don't understand blaming it all on fathers. I think that father's rights is a big part of what we're all about. I don't think that's what Mr. R is saying, of course.

Mothers teach daughters how to not let a man get into their pants, while fathers teach their sons the best ways to wine and dine and otherwise spend money on and benefit a woman.

Both mothers and fathers teach the same thing really; that women are special and thus deserve anything they want(whether they work for it or not).

The only difference is the father is willing to fight to defend his wife and daughter's entitled mentality. This is usually instilled in him at a young age and also through constant browbeating from his nagging wife to "be a real man." As we all know "a real man" to women is a man that does anything a woman wants at the time.

Yeah, I don't understand blaming it all on fathers. I think that father's rights is a big part of what we're all about.

That's because it's a less than accurate picture; somewhat of a half-truth for lack of a better term. You're not going to understand it. It is only a portion of the big picture. Both women and men encourage female narcisissm. This does not mean that women will not act in such a manner if they are given free will to do as they please with the laws(as they do now); the behavioral pattern is there. The problem is like anything else that seems to be a negative pattern, society should not encourage it.

The reason why this behavior from women continues is because society puts up with it. Also, for the longest the unspoken religious commandment -- enacted by women -- is "thou shall not criticize a woman." This unwritten law is propagated by women and defended by men and women.

@NBDSPCL: Roy is a very good example of the doting, chivalrous father. Although we usually disagree on many things, you're quite accurate in your latest assessment of this clown.

He's been defending women ever since you brought his daughters up. Keep up the good work!

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

"Thou shalt not criticize a woman" is pretty much the golden rule of our castrated society.